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Why is it that no one can actually explain the hea...

2010-03-22T11:08:33.908-07:00

Why is it that no one can actually explain the health care reform. So many try but it just becomes more confusing. I am a rep. and I know by what I have read and heard that I want nothing to do with this take over. Like I said before, this is a step toward one world gov. which I do not like or want.

Still another concerned citizen.

This is just another step to one world goverment !...

2010-03-22T10:54:54.825-07:00

This is just another step to one world goverment !!!!!

VERY CONCERNED CITIZEN

Everyone has their favorite way of using the inter...

2010-01-14T20:57:41.254-08:00

Everyone has their favorite way of using the internet. Many of us search to find what we want, click in to a specific website, read what’s available and click out. That’s not necessarily a bad thing because it’s efficient. We learn to tune out things we don’t need and go straight for what’s essential.
This goal-oriented way of surfing the web is largely based on short-term results. For example, finding facts to write a blog post, doing a comparison before making a purchase and reading a news site to find out what’s happening right now.
www.onlineuniversalwork.com

This is beyond my vision--in several ways. However...

2009-08-29T23:07:18.687-07:00

This is beyond my vision--in several ways. However, I know that if there are not drastic changes in favor of the consumer, I will be priced out of health care insurance and will have to make choices between perscribed medicines, "insurance," and a continued middle-class life style. As a country responsible to its citizens, every person should have access to medical care, or Medicare. Carl C.

Where are you getting your poverty level figures f...

2009-08-26T16:09:59.784-07:00

Where are you getting your poverty level figures from? Are those the numbers on the actual bill?
Commenters on other blogs with your chart posted to it have inferred that 3x the poverty level=rich. As someone who makes barely above 3x the poverty level, with no college education, that's not rich. At least not in the part of the country I live in. Having to buy into a private health plan or public health plan with no subsidies could be a bit of a financial stressor.

Two questions: If I like my employer's plan I...

2009-08-26T08:52:09.296-07:00

Two questions:

If I like my employer's plan I can keep it. Sounds great.

But what if I lose my job? Can I stay on my (now former) employer's plan by paying the premiums the same way I can do so now under COBRA?

If I change jobs, can I sign up for my new employer's plan?

Anonymous wrote: >>>>>The claim tha...

2009-08-25T06:56:59.340-07:00

Anonymous wrote: >>>>>The claim that Medicare is unchanged is false, afaict. Obama has made ending Medicare Advantage and filling the donut hole central points, no?
August 19, 2009 7:09 PM

Yes, Medicare Advantage would be CUT, hopefully.
25% of seniors (wealthy & upper middle classes) are enrolled in Medicare Advantage, an INSURANCE program which offers additional benefits to the standard Medicare.
Taxpayers fund Medicare Advantage to the tune of $180 BILLION.
imo - if seniors want more coverage than standard Medicare - they should pay for it themselves!

Since 2004, Pelosi & Dems have complained about the Donut Hole and insisted if Dems controlled Congress, they would FIX IT.
ha!
Now - supposedly, Obama has made a deal with Pharma which includes NO CHANGES in the Donut Hole.

Health Insurance Coverage Reform Flow Chart Than...

2009-08-25T06:20:54.047-07:00

Health Insurance Coverage Reform Flow Chart

Thank you for your terrific and very hard work! Would you identify the particular bill this represents?

I am a Healthcare Advocate (www.healthcareadvocate.org). May I your permission to post this on my site.

Thank you
Thank you.

This is an excellent visualization of a complex is...

2009-08-23T16:30:04.788-07:00

This is an excellent visualization of a complex issue. Upon which bill is this based? Thank you.

This reform makes no sense to me. The people it is...

2009-08-22T15:37:41.432-07:00

This reform makes no sense to me. The people it is supposed to help are those with no insurance. I'm one of those people. I fall in the >$66k family of 4 with no insurance category, and I don't know where I'm magically supposed to get the extra cash to pay insurance premiums.

I would love to have insurance, but I simply don't have the money. And from what I understand, if I don't have the money, I will be fined for not buying insurance - making my financial situation even worse!

So one segment that this is reform is supposed to help - the uninsured middle class (me) - are the ones getting screwed by this.

This seems like some sort of Catch-22 nightmare. I never thought of myself as a blue dog before, but I guess I'm becoming one.

The author of the flowchart asked for a link for e...

2009-08-21T10:27:11.012-07:00

The author of the flowchart asked for a link for employer sponsored health insurance numbers.

That's another clue that the projections are suspect.

Sorry Anardakos, your comment makes no sense. Fam...

2009-08-21T10:24:14.280-07:00

Sorry Anardakos, your comment makes no sense. Family coverage applies to individual buying private plans, just as it does to employer provided health insurance.

Who publishes a chart mixing operation definitions? A hack would.

The numbers roughly total our U.S. population.

Oh-- and perhaps call out to show that illegal imm...

2009-08-20T23:14:51.568-07:00

Oh-- and perhaps call out to show that illegal immigrants are excluded!

Nicholas- Love the flowchart and have already Fac...

2009-08-20T23:12:34.568-07:00

Nicholas-

Love the flowchart and have already Facebook-status-updated it to the fomenting masses. Some suggestions/requests:

1. Add a "No change" to the "Employer-provided insurance" terminal (to reinforce the fact that private insurance isn't going away).

2. I think you need to work the word "private" into the "individual insurance" terminals (to reinforce the fact that private insurance isn't going away).

3. Adjust the Medicaid expansion terminal to reflect the change from the status quo, e.g. "Medicaid expansion from 49M to 64M", or by percentage.

4. Add "VA" to the first decision in addition to Medicare and Medicaid.

Thanks again!

I expect that the big difference in employer cover...

2009-08-20T18:06:56.729-07:00

I expect that the big difference in employer coverage numbers between 122 million and 177 million is between 122 million enrollments and 177 million people. Many enrollments cover more than one person.

I decided to make a derivative based on this but i...

2009-08-20T17:54:44.545-07:00

I decided to make a derivative based on this but in a slightly different format showing #s of people as thickness of lines. Who Will Get What?.

Wow, I am worried about the numbers for the subsid...

2009-08-20T17:54:28.509-07:00

Wow, I am worried about the numbers for the subsidies. $66K for the family cut-off? That's higher than the median family income in the US!

Now I'm sure that the subsidies are inversely related to income, but that is a lot of families that will be receiving a subsidy. How do they expect to do all that for a trillion over a decade? Look how Plan D is nearly twice what the Bushies estimated it would be. We don't want to make that mistake again.

And the person who raised a concern about the employer heath care is right. We can't say "we need to do this because we have to relieve American business from the burden of employer-provided health care to improve our international competitiveness" and "we don't expect any of the 122 million people now covered to be affected".

That makes no sense.

Thanks so much for this. That flowchart is fantast...

2009-08-20T15:02:49.909-07:00

Thanks so much for this. That flowchart is fantastic.

We were there filming that panel and posted a clip of the exchange that "inspired" this flow chart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2aV6uJGkP0

Medicare/Medicaid covered 78 million in 2007. W...

2009-08-20T12:14:38.482-07:00

Medicare/Medicaid covered 78 million in 2007.

While a new box was added for additional Medicaid enrollees, there is no increase for Medicare, which has aging baby boomers on the way.

Let's just stop with the first diamond. 800 pa...

2009-08-20T09:17:59.409-07:00

Let's just stop with the first diamond. 800 pages of the 1000 page HR3200 are devoted to Medicare and Medicaid. Are we too believe that these clauses were crafted so that there would be no change? Hardly. Especially when the IMAC mechanism to be introduced to Medicare has the explicit policy goal of cutting Medicare costs while insulating Congress from political pressure with an unaccountable and non-transparent board, a la the base closing commission.

So, no reason to go with the rest of the flow until the first diamond gets straightened out, right? "No change," my sweet Aunt Fanny.

The claim that Medicare is unchanged is false, afa...

2009-08-19T19:09:12.843-07:00

The claim that Medicare is unchanged is false, afaict. Obama has made ending Medicare Advantage and filling the donut hole central points, no?

what about vetrans?

2009-08-19T14:27:14.211-07:00

what about vetrans?

KIT, you are 100% correct & I appreciate your ...

2009-08-19T12:53:53.902-07:00

KIT, you are 100% correct & I appreciate your effort to educate the Ozombies. Just to back up your correct analysis of the 122 Million on employer sponsored plans, I employ 17 people who will be going to the public option even if I have to pay the penalties being discussed. I can't imagine the private insurers having any chance to compete with the public plans.
When the 122M switch to the bottom of this insane flowchart, what will be the cost of ObamaCare? What will our defecit be?
--NOISE

Comments on Donkeylicious: The Flowchart

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Why is it that no one can actually explain the hea...

This is just another step to one world goverment !...

Everyone has their favorite way of using the inter...

This is beyond my vision--in several ways. However...

Where are you getting your poverty level figures f...

Two questions: If I like my employer's plan I...

Anonymous wrote: >>>>>The claim tha...

Health Insurance Coverage Reform Flow Chart Than...

This is an excellent visualization of a complex is...

This reform makes no sense to me. The people it is...

The author of the flowchart asked for a link for e...

Sorry Anardakos, your comment makes no sense. Fam...

Oh-- and perhaps call out to show that illegal imm...

Nicholas- Love the flowchart and have already Fac...

I expect that the big difference in employer cover...

I decided to make a derivative based on this but i...

Wow, I am worried about the numbers for the subsid...

Thanks so much for this. That flowchart is fantast...

Medicare/Medicaid covered 78 million in 2007. W...

Let's just stop with the first diamond. 800 pa...

The claim that Medicare is unchanged is false, afa...

what about vetrans?

KIT, you are 100% correct & I appreciate your ...

Very honored to see your blog. AIR MAX
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ALIFE CHAUSSURES
ATO CHAUSSURES
VIBRAM FIVEFINGER CHAUSSURES
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